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Sheila

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« on: January 12, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Canonet, Don\'t take this message board as a sign that all black women dislike black men. Yes black men and women have issues we need to work on, but its not like you think. Up until I started reading this message board I didn\'t think there were that many black women dating out of their race. Over here in California it is very rare to see a black women with a man of another race except in Pasadena or Moreno Valley those cities are full of sisters with men of other races. I was surprised to see more black women there than black men in Interracial relationships. My brother\'s girlfriend was married to a white man. Her complaints about black men were similar to Dee\'s, but yet her marriage to this man lasted 3 months. \"Yes 3 months!\"  She told me she realized men are men it doesn\'t matter what color they are \"they all do the same bullsh*t.\" The truth of the matter is she was the problem not the men. She has a serious mental problem, but she blames her relationship failures on the current man she\'s with.I am not against interracial dating, but the majority of them are together for the wrong reasons. If you hear statements from black men/women bashing their own race because they feel their mate of another race is better. You can bet they are with their mates for all the wrong reasons and it won\'t last. I have a friend at work \"Scott\" \"Asian Male\" he would always talk about how great his girlfriend was. He talked about all the great things they did together and how much he loved her. I never knew she was black until I went to his wedding. I thought, \"WOW, this is a prime example of a great interracial relationship based on love not color. You see with my other friends that are in interracial relationship you can see they are phonies because the first thing they mention is the color of their mates skin. \"Scott\" never mentioned his girlfriend\'s color he only mentioned how great she was and all the good things about her without bashing the women of his own race. I have read some post here from women/men that speaks highly of their mates without bashing men of their own race. Which I think is great. If you have found someone that loves you and understand you \"More power to Ya,\" but don\'t bash my man because some black men treated you like crap. There are assh*les in every race men and women accept that and move on. I meet single good black men on a daily basis. I have a friend who is single. He has no kids, has a great job, his own place & car, never been married, never been in trouble with the law, respectable, honorable, he cooks and cleans, he\'s educated, he has a great sense of humor, and to top it all off he\'s very attractive and well maintained. He is everything women say they want in a man, but he\'s single.  I don\'t understand why this man is single. I would snatch him up so fast if I wasn\'t in a relationship. Unfortunately black men like him get lumped in with all the bad ones. When I hear black men bashing all black women because their with someone of another race. I don\'t take offense to it because I know I am not a bad person. I am not a drama queen. I don\'t loud talk my man or disrespect him in anyway. I am very supportive and understanding. My man is my best friend I love everything about him except he doesn\'t clean up after himself, but that is small compare to all the great things he does for me and to me.  I don\'t expect him to be perfect and I hope he doesn\'t expect me to be perfect.  My man is everything I need.  I couldn\'t ask for more. I wish everyone all the luck in finding that special someone even if they are of another race, but realize that this is a good person. Not, this person is good because they are not black.  

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
I LOVE black men.  The saying \"the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice\" works fine with me.  People always say that I know people of all nationalities.  That\'s true, but I will never give up on a black man.  I don\'t dislike IR.  I\'m attracted to men of all races.  I\'m a people person, so I can\'t help that.  Black men have a lot of things going for them.  They can offer me something that no other man of a different race can.  Just because I don\'t like some of the things that black men do, does not mean that I hate them.  Sounds like I\'m generalizing, but I really see the individual.  Like someone said in another thread, there isn\'t a shortage of black men, but a shortage of \"good\" black men.  \"Good,\" of course, being a relative term.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Canonet:  I\'ll try to answer your question as it was posed.  Most of the black women I know are not with white men out of hatred or even dislike of black men, they are with them because they are THERE.  Are there black women who have issues with black men?  Of course, but contrary to popular belief, and I can speak as one who\'s been dating IR for a decade now, this is by no means the majority of black women dating IR.I don\'t know why you would say that the black man shortage is a myth.  Speaking from personal experience and the experiences of my four closest friends it is reality.  Until about two months ago I had NEVER had a black man approach me.  If I didn\'t pursue him, there was no pursuing going on.  I was not comfortable in these relationships as I prefer a more traditional female role, they didn\'t last.  Therefore, I started dating men who pursued me, primarily white men.  Now, except for a few exceptions on this board, most of the black women in IRs who\'ve posted here have said pretty much the same thing.  Black women dating IR doesn\'t have to have anything to do with black men.  It is simply a broadening of one\'s horizons so to speak.  I happen to like men, a lot, to me it makes no sense to limit my dating options to one race when there are ten times as many men of other races out there.  It\'s simply a numbers game.  You shouldn\'t feel upset when you see a black woman with a white man.  I can assure you, no brotha is losing out, there are more than enough black women out there for black men, unfortunately the numbers are not as cheerful in the obverse.Sheila, I take issue with your statement:   \"but the majority of them are together for the wrong reasons.\"How do you know this?  Have you taken some type of poll to determine this?  What type of statistical sampling have you done.  Thus far, you\'ve given one example, obviously this sister is a head case.  My question is simply this, Why do IR couples have to justify their relationships?  Mono-racials get together all the time for reasons ranging from sex to money to who has a big booty or a nice car.  No one has a problem with that.  Yet somehow people seem to feel they have the right, based on very limited experience, to state that most IRs are together for the \"wrong\" reasons.  What precisely are the \"wrong\" reasons?  Should we be vetted by a minister, rabbi, shaman, or witch-doctor to certify that we are together for the \"right\" reasons?  No one has the right to tell another adult that their relationship is \"wrong,\"  especially based on so little evidence.I can respect a person\'s viewpoint that they don\'t like IRs, that\'s their business.  But don\'t give me that tired, worn-out \"wrong reasons\" excuse.  Just stand up, say you don\'t like IRs, for God\'s sake everyone get some \'nads and be real!

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
I know my ir dating and marriage has nothing to do with hatred or dislike for bm.  I felt if I am attracted to the man and he is attracted to me we should get together no matter what his race is.I was exposed to all types and races of men when I was stationed overseas and I thought I should be able to date whoever I wanted even though at the time (talking 70\'s) a lot of people thought bf should not date other races of men at all.  I did not feel anyone had a \"license\" on my dating habits.

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
I thank all for the replies to my topic but I have a question for Roslyn. When you say the black male shortage is not a myth, what do you mean exactly? If you mean those that are college educated, yes. Numbers drop if you\'re looking for MAs or MSs, even less so for Ph.Ds or MDs, and so on. The man does not have to have an advanced degree to be considered a good catch, or own that fine new luxo-Euro or Japanese import.   When I read responses of ladies who are in IR, would they really give Black men a second look or immediately put them all in the bad category because they were wronged by one? I met a lady who dated IRs. Bragged about how much money she and her man made. Spoke of the black men she dated and had not-so-good comments about them. Those non-Black she dated, even if they wronged her there was nothing but good comments about those men. I asked her to get real, she took offense to what I thought of her. I am tired of the black male bashing.    I may be blasted for this  but I really feel many black ladies who are in IR might have something against black men in one form or another. Readers, what do you think? IF you want to write, e-mail me at LSW01@aol.com ThanksCanonet

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Canonet:  Like I\'ve said numerous times on this board before; I LIKE MEN!!!  Black men, white men, Asian men, whatever.  I\'ve never had any educational requirements for a man I date, though I do have intellectual standards (As I\'m sure you\'re well aware, intellect and education do not always go together.)  To that end I\'ve dated guys from every socioeconomic group of numerous races.  I\'m always fascinated by people who say they met a black woman who had a bad relationship with ONE black men and that is why they date IR, the person recounting the episode is always offended by this gross generalization, and rightly so. Of course, they don\'t have a problem with stereotyping black women in IRs as bitter *****es who hate black men.  Hypocrisy always makes me ill.When I say a black man shortage, that\'s exactly what I mean.  I frequently have friends and relatives question me about my mating/dating choices.  I generally respond, Ok if you want me to be with a black man so bad, why don\'t you introduce me to one?  They usually get this dumbfounded expression on their faces as they cannot for the life of them come up with ONE single (no kids) black man between the ages of 30 and 40 w/o a criminal record, with a job, who doesn\'t live at home, who\'s heterosexual and not a player.  (Please note, I didn\'t mention race, income or even height, those are my bare MINIMUM requirements.) Generally, my social circle is fairly wide and runs from Birmingham, through my hometown to Atlanta, a distance of about 300 miles.  Not once, has anyone that I\'ve asked that question been able to produce even ONE guy. Obviously, there are more white men who meet the criteria because there are MORE of them. It comes down to simple mathematics, let\'s say that 10% of ALL men are under par.  There are approximately 15 million black men in this country and about 85 million white guys, one can very quickly determine that you\'re more likely to meet a compatible white guy than a compatible black guy, you\'ve simply got a larger selection. Obviously, I\'m not speaking of ALL the black men in the universe, I can only tell you what my experiences have been.  BTW Canonet, I\'ve never been wronged or dogged by a man.  I was stalked by one once, but I\'m pretty sure I got the best part of that encounter.  And where have you seen all the black man bashing?  I\'ve read posts by ONE black woman on this newsgroup that I would categorize as man-bashing in favor of white guys.  The rest of us simply have shared our experiences.Is this the only reason I date men of other races?  Nope, not really.  I happen to find MEN attractive and can\'t really think of one racial group as more attractive than others, they each have their own groove and I\'m receptive to that.What I find interesting Canonet, is that you\'ve had two black women, one who\'s been married for over twenty years tell you that their dating/mating choices had nothing to do with black men, yet you still pursue that angle.  May I ask you why?  Why is it that you would make an assumption in the first place that black women are somehow ATTACHED to black men?  Our sexuality is our own, to be shared as WE see fit.  It has nothing to do with black men.Sheila:  I do get your point, however, I don\'t see racial preferences as being any different than any other preferences.  (People have all kinds of preferences; height, weight, skin color, hair length, etc...)  Allow me to expound a little bit.  Let\'s say that I, as a black woman am a fanatical outdoorswoman.  Like to jet-ski, snowboard, camping, fishing and anything else I can do outside.   None of the black guys I meet are into that, but I meet plenty of white guys who are.  Does that make my \"racial\" or in actuality \"activity\" preferences wrong?  (Actually, these facts are pretty much true to my situation.)  Or suppose I\'m a white woman who considers myself part of the hip-hop nation, none of the white guys I meet are into that, what am I supposed to do?  Deciding that all racial preferences are somehow sinister is a rather sweeping statement to make.  I know that when I placed my personal ad I emphasized the outdoorsy farming life that is so crucial to me.  As far as I know, no black men responded.  Does that mean I discriminated against blacks?  Nope, none of them responded.  Big woo!

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Hi Roslyn,   Rread your post and you have made strong points. Like you, I\'m an outdoor-type person. I love to wthiewater raft, mtn bike in the NC mountains as well as my area. Can\'t camp because I do have a tent but that\'s coming soon! :-)Have an interest in antique cars, photography and play tennis. Most Black women  I have met cannot relate to a man who has these interests. When I have met those that have, they\'re hooked up with white guys.    I cannot be hard on ladies who date IR. I have met some who have been quite nice but the majority seem to bash or avoid Black men. I fall into your description you laid out Roslyn. NO hip hop nation for me. Too old for that junk. I\'m still hard pressed to believe most ladies who do have, somewhere in them, something against us men. Not just online but a recent article in Essence posed the question \"Where have the brothers gone\"? Some ladies may take it to extreme and think all of us have run off.   I may be biased in my views, Roslyn, and others from past experiences but what do you think? Perhaps it comes from being a scientist too long:-). Need hard proof instead of word of mouth.    

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Don\'t be ridiculous.  Black men are not bad at all.  they are, in fact extremely desirable.  Don\'t think so?  Look at the IR dating services.  There are tons of white women looking for Black men exclusively.We\'ve got the best of both worlds, when it comes to sex and dating.  All women want us.We\'re exciting.  We\'re good lovers.  We\'re always horny.  We have great equipment.  We have tons of stamina.  And we have broad experience.Frankly, i rarely hear women complain about Black men except on this board.I say, go with whomever you like.  It certainly makes me no difference.  And marry whomever you like.But I\'ve found in my personal life tht I have always come back to black women because we share a common culture and that ultimately makes a lot of difference in relationships.  I say all that from the perspective of a man who has had just about every nationally that I know exists.  While each woman individually offers something different from every other indivual woman.  I think in the end culture has been the tie breaker for me.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Are black men worth it? Of course! Black men are wonderful, and there are a lot of good men out there. But just because he\'s a good black man, doesn\'t mean that he\'s right for me. Anyone could paint themselves as a victim of past relationships, but not everyone is meant to be together. I love black men, but I don\'t make color the first criteria in a relationship because there are too many other things that are more important, like compatability. I haven\'t tricked myself into believing that no black man is good enough for me, but I know color isn\'t the only criteria to base a relationship on. Don\'t despair Canonet, black men are precious, and I\'m not looking to find the right white man to rescue me, I am however looking for the \"right man for me.\"

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
HI Roslyn  Thanks for your comment. I have found very few whites who knew much beyond Martin Luther king when regarding Black history. In college I took a history class and we watch a film of the fire hoses in Alabama.  A lady got up and  said she never knew that happened. I was shocked but not totally surprised. Knew even few white men with an interest in Black history. I\'m guessing they learn history to get next to sisters! Have brothers turned from you because of your circle of friends? Perhaps you were caught in a man\'s eye but being real comfortable around white guys made him reconsider thinking you prefer them instead of Black men. What do you think?   Sorry Rosyln not interested in you. Nothing personal but I was involved with a lady who had an interest in white guys but lied about it. When found out, she cried but still wanted to be my friend( That old line). I did not accept. Still called 3 months afterwords and handled me with gloves; as if she\'s saying you can\'t have me, but in consolation I\'m gonna be your friend. Had to put an end to that Rosyln. Not going down that road again. Don\'t like 2nd class treatment from sisters.  Many won;t take me seroiously. Rather catch pneumonia  instead of being treated like a familiar stranger. Sorry if I sound harsh. I meant nothing personal. Just had too many similar events like that happen and am very tired of it. You, Roslyn, and others, what do you think?Canonet

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
HI Roslyn  Thanks for your comment. I have found very few whites who knew much beyond Martin Luther king when regarding Black history. In college I took a history class and we watch a film of the fire hoses in Alabama.  A lady got up and  said she never knew that happened. I was shocked but not totally surprised. Knew even few white men with an interest in Black history. I\'m guessing they learn history to get next to sisters! Have brothers turned from you because of your circle of friends? Perhaps you were caught in a man\'s eye but being real comfortable around white guys made him reconsider thinking you prefer them instead of Black men. What do you think?   Sorry Rosyln not interested in you. Nothing personal but I was involved with a lady who had an interest in white guys but lied about it. When found out, she cried but still wanted to be my friend( That old line). I did not accept. Still called 3 months afterwords and handled me with gloves; as if she\'s saying you can\'t have me, but in consolation I\'m gonna be your friend. Had to put an end to that Rosyln. Not going down that road again. Don\'t like 2nd class treatment from sisters.  Many won;t take me seriously. Rather catch pneumonia  instead of being treated like a familiar stranger. Sorry if I sound harsh. I meant nothing personal. Just had too many similar events like that happen and am very tired of it. You, Roslyn, and others, what do you think?Canonet

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Banjo,You said, \"Black men are not bad at all. they are, in fact extremely desirable. Don\'t think so? Look at the IR dating services. There are tons of white women looking for Black men exclusively.\"Yeah, but they are all fat!You said,\"We\'ve got the best of both worlds, when it comes to sex and dating. All women want us. We\'re exciting. We\'re good lovers. We\'re always horny. We have great equipment. We have tons of stamina. And we have broad experience.\"Sounds like you\'ve sampled a couple of black men yourself!Banjo, you are a hoot!

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Canonet,One more thing. Even if every black woman in America decided to wash their hands of black men, they would not be able to do so. The number of available white men would not support this option. Couple this with the fact that most white men still prefer to date and marry within their own race and what you have is a sexual slam dunk for black men. And this is a bad thing for blacks. I think the sexual imbalance has made many black men haughty. Some feel as though they don\'t have to work to get dates (or even sex for that matter). You know, I take back what I said in my previous post. I think black men could use a dose of sexual insecurity. Not only would this decrease the illegitimacy rate, sexual competition from white men might even force black men to make long term commitments to black women (as in marriage).Yes, I think your insecurity with regard to black women who have dated interracially can be turned to your advantage. Instead of dismissing these women, step up to the plate and win their hearts. Remember, most black women are pulling for you (they just don\'t want to be mistreated). It is not in the best interest of black women to see black men defeated. So, keep your head up!

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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
Thanks, RR. I will do my best. i probably had bad luck and ran into too many sisters who preferred white guys. To those ladies I\'ve met that passed over me: Their loss!

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 1999, 05:00:00 am »
RR How can a competent black man ever be insecure.  Not only are there all the black women who want him, white women\'s lust for black men is the stuff of legend.  And every other nationality has fallen to his magic wand of sexual prowess.  No.  That I suspect that is YOUR fantasy, but it will never come to pass.Now all we have to do is to conquer every other arena of human endeavor, as completely as we have the sexual arena.