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Mindkandy,
I love your response to cross demon,  and I admire your patience and discipline in not allowing yourself to be drawn into the TYPICAL trap that he tries to lay, by purposely twisting a person\'s statements and misrepresenting their views.
Dont mind him too much tho, his labeling of you as a white supremacist ideologue, just b/c you date a WM, is related to HIS own past.  He is judging you based on his own feelings of shame, for back in the days when HE used to be obsessed with chasing WW, so he thinks anyone who currently dates white, must have had the same low self-esteem problems that he had back them (and still do in some ways).

Cross demon,
As I agree with pretty much all of her post, I\'m going to follow MK\'s example not indulge you with any lengthy response, and there by reward you for attributing views to me, that I most definitely NEVER stated.  Feel free to show me where I said that it as OK for only black people\'s rights s/b sacrificed, or anything else to be dont to black folks only.
As for your posting that white people are the \"majority\" users of drugs, prostitution, and various other crimes......I\'m sure you are counting on folks reading this board not to have a good understanding of mathematics or statistics.  With whites still making up a the overwhelming majority of the total US population, they would have to pretty much be daym saints, in order for them not to be the raw \"majority\" of most typical crimes.  YOU count on people here not being educated enough to understand the importance of crime RATE.  Blacks make up about 13% of the total US population, so for any crime where their representation is more than 13%, one could argue that they warrant more scrutiny in order to try to lower their rate.
And it doesn\'t matter how many times I point out the OBVIOUS, which is that police are naturally more concerned with those violent crimes that gets reported them the most(placing an onus on them to solve and prevent such crimes), you still think you are making some relevant comparison by mentioning the degree of self inflicted crimes, along with sexual assaults,  that are committed by whites, but are NOT highly reported, therefore doesn\'t get the same amount of attention from the police.

RR,
My stay will not be indefinite.  I just could not sit back during these times, and allow this board to be completely infested with purely irrational, paranoid, hypocritical, black group think, views.

Osiris,
The archives of this site if filled with an ample supply of dialogue bt RR and I, showing that agreement bt us is the rare exception, not the rule.  We have enough disagreements on the nuances and causation for black criminality, although not necessarily the prevalence of it.
However, I dont suppose you or the other black warrior wannabes on here have the courage to acknowledge the truth spoken by RR.  The fact is ya\'ll dont CARE just how infested the black community is with violent[ criminals (ya know the ones who do the type of shyt that gets reported to the police the most),  ALL you care about is a comparison of whether of not whitey is being subjected to the same amount of police scrutiny.
Seeing Training Day last night, reminded me of what I said earlier....Individual cops are out to score and make a name for themselves..the way they do this is by making big busts...so if they had any reason to believe they are equally likely to make a big bust by aiming at white or any other color persons, that is what they\'ll do.  If the cops were going around harassing blacks all day, while the white community was infested with the same amount of violent crimes, that wouldn\'t bode well for them.
 
Have you noticed that as much as all the black defenders on here, can be counted on to make a big stink about black profiling....not a one here has created a thread addressing why black men are a thousand folds more likely to die at the hands of another black man, NOT a white cop.  Those stats are okie dokie with ya\'ll, cause you only care if/when there is an opportunity to vilify whitey.
And ss bad a credit/financial probs as black folks tend to have, not a one of you (except Crown) creates any threads to discuss how black folks can make improvements in that area.  Bunch a dumb hypocrites!
Like I said, your progress is so very s-l-o-w in this country b/c you lack the ability to prioritize problems in terms of which is most threatening to your survival.
I\'ll be back later.  For now, I have to go get ready for our sunday dinner family get together that my family does every sunday...and I will use the opportunity to ask everyone there how many times they felt they had been unjustly stopped by the police.
DP[This message has been edited by DianaPrince (edited 10-14-2001).]

DP
I think if you are saying that blacks would be better off choosing bigger battles than the temporary (albeit strong!) annoyances of racial profiling, many would agree with you.
But you at least appear to be saying that we shouldnt care, shouldnt be bothered, should just shut up about them already - i.e. that we should be stronger or more resilient than that.  Ok, I can hear that.  But lots of black people dont want to *EVER*  be singled out like that merely for being black, dont *EVER* want to have to learn more defenses, be more resilient, etc, etc.  I can understand that too. Can you understand that *and* not be critical of those who just see things differently than you do on that front?
Are there blacks out there abusing the cry of \'Racism\' like the boy who cried wolf? OF course there are, and I dont think anyone here disagrees with that.  
I believe that you have a very strong foundation in your emotional world and you believe we would all be better off if we had similar mental/emotional defenses.  But lots of us don\'t want to be stronger, better, deeper, whatever.  We just want to be treated equally across the board in all situations.  So you have two groups who approach the same problem differently.  You summon up your defenses, while others go on the attack.
In your favor, I think of situations like the NAACP talking about boycotting state governments that still fly the rebel flag.  When I consider that, I say \'so what, we have bigger fish to fry.\'  Much ado about nothing.
However, I really have to to disagree with how you responded to the historical hypotheticals of Rosa Parks and Dr. King.  They both went \'on the offensive\' so to speak and we today are the beneficiaries of their putting themselves in harm\'s way.  Even at that time, many older blacks were telling the young blacks they were crazy and just going to get themselves killed.  In numerous cases they were right, but thank God they did it anyway.  We enjoy privileges unimaginable at that time.  
Nevertheless, we have not reached a stage of being considered americans first and black second in regards to racial profiling.  So, there are those of us who continue to fight on that front.  All power to them.
There are those of us who belive as you do that there are more important issues (money and power!) and let\'s address them.  All power to them too.

Diana,
After reading your last post my conclusion is that you really have \"no point at all\" and you really don\'t have a \"position.\"  Your arguments have been watered down to the point where they are no longer discernable--and at this point, I don\'t know even what you\'re trying to say now.  So, it appears that you\'re just posturing and trying to be antagonistic on purpose.  
Please don\'t confuse my \"passion\" with being \"overly sensitive.\"  My passion comes from my strong belief (and ready defense) of what I believe is RIGHT.
I will now conlude any further discussions of this matter with you as there really is no point or counter-point to debate.  Everything I have said here I believe is sound and reasonable and easily understood.
And let me leave you with this little tidbit.  We have seen throughout the history of man how the \"big fish\" will always try to eat the \"small fish.\"  But we have also seen that right, justice, and goodness always prevail in the end over evil.  Racial profiling can be viewed as another evil, in a long, long line of evils perpetrated against blacks.  We\'ve always met them head on as I\'m sure we will always continue to do.  It\'s not about \"crying wolf\" or \"empowering\" or \"being sensitive\" or \"catching criminals\" or \"being stronger\" or \"more resilient\" -- at the end of the day it\'s really only about being treated \"fairly\" -- nothing more, nothing less!
Peace
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Mindkandy, I\'m not dying to know. I\'m dying to let everyone else know that your opinion is entangled with the white supremacist ideology. That was the point, it was the last sentence of the post.
Remembering your thread about black folks not being \"cultured\", I wonder why it is that the more \"cultured\" one considers themselves, the closer they are in proximity to white folks? Do they associate \"culturedness\" with being white?
You are a white supremacist ideologue, Mindkandy. Your statements, and your actions (boyfriend) do indeed indicate your \"culturedness\", in white supremacy, that is.

DP
“The hyper sensitive negro like you dont give a shyt about the actually circumstances of an event, every daym thing is just another opportunity for you to scream racial profiling victimization.”
Why would I not care about the issue of black profiling as a black person? That\'s the most nonsensical point of few you’ve posted so far but I’ll reserve your right to surpass it. Oh, before you ask yes I have been profiled. No crime had been committed. Just to white cops pulling over two black men who \'fit a profile\' Stuffed us in the back of a police car as gave us the 3rd degree. \"Got drugs, guns, bombs, etc??\" When they realized we were two law abiding citizens they let us go with a ticket for driving w\\o our headlights on( bout 8:30pm in the summer knowing good & well it was light outside. ) Did I mention that the cops didn\'t have on their headlights on either? - LOL

‘There ARE circumstances under which a cop does need to restrain someone and put their ass on the ground, regardless of color, and as much as I dont particularly care for cops, if I had a family member who was in that line of work, I daym sure want them to have the right to restrain an aggressive person if/when necessary.’
Fine, no one is arguing that point so why are you? The topic was clearly defined as black profiling, correct? That has nothing to do with activities that may or may not be questionable during apprehension. The issue is why should we be profiled, meaning the thought process that leads to apprehension in the 1st place, just because of race.
BCD makes the point clearly if you can remove your bias from the person posting.
“We still don\'t know why just black people\'s rights should be sacrificed. We don\'t know why just our presumption of innocence should be relieved. We don\'t know why equal protection under the laws should not be recognized for the black populace. We don\'t know why law abiding black people should be subjected to unreasonable searches.
If she argues that it is to prevent crime, then one must ask, why are black citizens the only persons singled out in this prevention of crime. Why not stop and search every white person in the inner-city? They are the majority of drug users.”
It’s a very simple point which shouldn’t be hard for anyone to comprehend. Again, I don’t think anyone in here advocates black irresponsibility. This is a simple matter of equal treatment. You can’t say people are crying victimization if in fact their rights are being violated or ignored.
I asked
\"How can we justify profiling people based only on race when the overwhelming majority of people in every racial category are law abiding citizens?\"
DP
“The same way we profile people based on sex, age, height, weight, ...when the overwhelming majority of persons of a given gender, age, height, or weight are law abiding citizens. “
C’mon. Who in the hell is pulled over, searched & cuffed just because they’re a woman,  they look 43 yrs old, they’re about 5’7” or they weight close to145 pds?? Again, we are talking about apprehension with no crime necessarily committed. No description of a suspect, just a whim. You gotta come better than that. As for your comment regarding profiling white teen males, who cares if your family profiles them? Your family can’t billy club a white teenage boy in the middle of the street on film and walk away free in court. We are talking about law enforcement agencies. Why aren’t young white male teenagers routinely harassed as drug dealers, drug users or school shooting potentials by the authorities?? The overwhelming majority of white male teenagers are also law abiding citizens.
DP to RR
RR,
“My stay will not be indefinite. I just could not sit back during these times, and allow this board to be completely infested with purely irrational, paranoid, hypocritical, black group think, views. “
Wow.
If these views are from a ‘black group think’ point of view then what are your views? I mean is it ok for black people to own ‘black views’? What would you suggest DP? You tell on yourself every time you post yet you claim you don’t have a white supremacist mindset. You remind me of black folx who tell me, ‘You’re pro-black!”( like it’s an insult ) to which I humorously respond “Well, I’m black,  & if I’m pro-black then what the hell are you?”

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