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Bailey

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« on: June 20, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
One word...\"YES\".

purple

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Samantha, that gives me some hope. I have a friend who I\'ve known for two years. It bothers me to hear him say that he doesn\'t love the (black) woman who had his 7-year-old daughter but he\'s still sleeping with her to this day. He also tells me constantly of a Latina that he saw and wants to be with and how much he could fall for her. This bugs me because it appears that he could not love a black woman. Am I wrong for being miffed by this? His \'baby\'s momma\' is a sweet girl, spoiled, but sweet.

Osiris

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Why would you glean hope from a Negro? After all, as I have said many times, \"the negro is the idea and creation of the white-american.\" So advice from them can only parrot the values of the whites. What else do they know or for that matter want to know? It\'s akin to certain types of education being the enemy of Christianity. Christians are very careful to limit their educational genre. In reference to your question, most (liberal) whites would say in one word, \"yes.\" After all, to them and their negros, we are all the same. Their goal is to reach this mythical \"color-less\" society and the \"love\" of a white for a black or visa versa, fits well into their skewed rational. Purple,I think you need to understand the cultural thought and behavior of whites. That which is hidden and they make a concerted effort to keep it that way. You won\'t learn it in school, in the media or even living with them. They have never openly studied their own cultural thought and behavior.  European Anthropologist and Sociologist interests have been with those \"exotic\" people of color cultures.  I think if you learn how Europeans think, then you can answer your own question. You can learn this from people who are not European or their cultural creation. Folks who have studied them, like they have studied us.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
I\'m not ignorant, as you may suggest. It appears that you have some issues because your comments and then your action in visiting an interracial board are  contradictory. II hardly consider Samantha a \'Negro\' as you state. I don\'t believe that ANY man, black or white, will marry a woman and be with her for 12 years if he did not love her.

Osiris

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Why not?

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Osiris, thank you for your continued interest.  Your apology is also quite appreciated.  I know I am often hasty and jump to conclusions as well and is particularly likely when I\'m feeling passionate about something, or just plain emotional.   Please see the new topic I\'ve posted for our discussions.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Purple, Gianne said it right and well.      I love the fact that we are each sharing our personal knowledge and experiences on this, since this issue effects each of us at a distinctly personal and individual level.  Also, my view is to find a man who will treat me with dignity and respect; if that man isn\'t \"my color\", I don\'t care as long as the feelings are mutual.  I know of many examples in IRs in which either partner demeaned and disrespected the other, so-called \"inferior\" partner...  but also, I know of more numerous same-race relationships in which they\'ve demeaned and disrespected their partner.  This can happen, irrespective of culture, though the point you are making is that it happens \"because\" of color.  I\'ve heard of men who specifically sought out immigrant women (eastern Europeans, Asian, Latinas) because they thought such women were more submissive, obedient, haven\'t learned the brash, independent \"American\" women\'s ways .... I hear them describe American women (regardless of ethnicity, just women raised and cultured here) as attempting to \"be a man.\"  These types of men have problems with their own sense of masculinity and can\'t see themselves, or the women they seek, as being complete individuals outside of the public \"roles\" that we fit into.  I have been in a couple of relationships in which I was the first \"Asian\" that the man had dated, or his first IR.  By then, I was pretty familiar with the issues as an Asian and as an IR; to the man, it was a knew way to see himself and his cultural background in a different light; my issues became his issues as well, taken to heart.

Osiris

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Also, my view is to find a man who will treat me with dignity and                 respect; if that man isn\'t \"my color\", I don\'t care as long as the                 feelings are mutual. I know of many examples in IRs in which                 either partner demeaned and disrespected the other, so-called                 \"inferior\" partner... but also, I know of more numerous same-race                 relationships in which they\'ve demeaned and disrespected their                 partner. This can happen, irrespective of culture, though the                 point you are making is that it happens \"because\" of color. You are correct, the numerous same-race relationships do have incidents of disrespect. But can ANY of them show disrespect by demeaning the person\'s cultural essence? By that I mean not only that person, but their whole cultural group. Their mother, father, sister and brother. This has a totally different effect on a person. Whereas the disrespect in same-race relationships is more on the frailties of being human. These can have a rational solution and don\'t cut so deep into the soul.

Osiris

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
One further question and I don\'t expect truthful answers because it is very personal. When you IR have sex, what\'s going through your minds?  Will the same things go through you minds when having sex with the same race partner? Do those thoughts have any sociopsychological formulations based in our unique \"racial\" experiences in America? You know fantasies that are unique to inter racial realtionships. This is sort of a rhetorical question.

Osiris

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Phil grow up and get some understanding. You bore me at times. I have enough sense to know that people will not blast their deepest personal secrets, desires and fantasies in a public forum. We haven\'t reached that stage as a society yet. In fact, many may not have given thought on the things I\'m asking. That\'s why it is a rhetorical question.

Osiris

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Annura:You don\'t count when it comes to this question. The same historical ontological dynamics don\'t apply. Europeans and people of color have a \"specific\" pathology, with the African being the most pronounced. Now that white woman you mentioned would fit well. You IR\'s I\'m doing some research. Back soon...

Osiris

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Explain to me \"soul Patrol.\"

Osiris

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
I asked the question in hopes that the people who read it would think about it. What do I think about during sex. Well, if mention OJ does that give you any clue? :-)

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Osiris: quote:Explain to me \"soul Patrol.\"In a nutshell: You are like the KKK in Blackface.  You call out anyone who doesn\'t fit your idea of what is \"Black\" as a \"Negro\" or as \"acting White\", or using a similar tactic.  This is no different than a KKK person who would call a White person a \"*******lover\" or a \"traitor\" for much the same reason.

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 1999, 03:00:00 am »
Phil: Thank you for your explanation.