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DianaPrince

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« on: November 30, 2001, 07:56:00 pm »
quote:Originally posted by Aphrodite64:
I would say that it is unrealistic, sex is NOT the only reason a man steps out on a woman, nor vice versa Oh c\'mon Aphro, give me a little credit.  At no point did I say that sex was the ONLY reason..its ONE reason, one very popular reason.
What I\'d like you to look at is the huge number of people who will cheat on the DL, but dont want to split with their spouse to go be with the person they cheated with?  
If/when they care enough about the new person they desire, they\'ll just leave and you cant stop them.

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2001, 08:12:00 pm »
I agree with Aphro. Men and women step out for different reasons, not always for sex. I think the pass is a great ideal. However I would not like anyone looking at me have sex with someone else and I sure wouldnt want to be watching my man screw another women.
Sex with one person unless you are really, really, deep, in love gets old and boring.I think people who are emotionally mature can understand the need for sexual variety. Its natural and makes life fun. Tied to one person for life is a form of bondage and slavery. B-O-R-I-N-G!!!

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2001, 08:51:00 pm »
oh......this is goody....
IMO The majority of time when men in a loving marriage or a committed relationship… pluck around…IMO there is NO emotional attachment…I think it’s only about Sex and that is it with most men…unless as Aphrodite said …ole girl can COOK LOL.
 
I notice also that when men do cheat …why is it with a woman that looks like Chit all the time…(you all know I\'m telling the truth) missing teeth, overweight, mustache, bunch of kids,…just gross….a woman that don’t even half way compare to the wife or girlfriend?  What I mean by compare…the wife will be very educated, employed, attractive, in shape, good mother, homemaker,  etc…all that…the involved men get the loser type woman to pluck around with.
 
I have more to say later….

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2001, 09:13:00 pm »
quote:Originally posted by DianaPrince:
 too risque and provocative True, true,,, This isn\'t for the faint of heart. This is some serious grown folk business....
I just can\'t see somebody else\'s butt being flipped, tossed and up in the air on my custom-made morning glory patterned duvet cover.... and then there\'s always the morning  after....  People and situations never look as good in the morning lite...
Yesh...this scenario would definitely take some serious hard-ball negoatiating skills...no emotions allowed at all... I\'m too soft...

Indigo_Rhayne

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2001, 10:06:00 pm »
quote:Originally posted by DianaPrince:
 
Quote
...hold up...stop the music...
DP - I swear, you\'re one smart cookie, lol ... This whole thread is giving me vertigo...so, gotta go... the sun\'s setting and moon is going to rise fully over the ocean tonite...
and the new rain is emerging too... time to run...

Aphrodite64

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2001, 10:39:00 pm »
And we know if it\'s that potent, he\'s gonna want to go back for more and more and more.  
Personally DP, I truly do NOT believe all men have it in them to cheat.  My experience has been that men who have seen their father\'s be true, tend to be true and men who have had Fathers who keep their committments, generally keep their commitments as well.
  quote:Originally posted by Indigo_Rhayne:
It would have to be one pretty potent experience. {/B]
[This message has been edited by Aphrodite64 (edited 11-30-2001).]

Canonet17

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2001, 10:46:00 pm »
quote:Originally posted by Aphrodite64:
And we know if it\'s that potent, he\'s gonna want to go back for more and more and more.  
Personally DP, I truly do NOT believe all men have it in them to cheat.  My experience has been that men who have seen their father\'s be true, tend to be true and men who have had Fathers who keep their committments, generally keep their commitments as well.
 
[This message has been edited by Aphrodite64 (edited 11-30-2001).]
I do not believe in cheating even though my father does. its hard enough to catch one lady these days. Why on earth try messing thigns up with 2,3+ ladies shuffling a life around to live a lie? its not for me.

 I\'d have a big problem if i had a had and she wanted to have a sex pass. If married and in my state, its legal to sue over that.[This message has been edited by Canonet17 (edited 11-30-2001).]

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2001, 11:04:00 pm »
DP, I misunderstood about the purpose about the woman getting her freak on.
At the risk of sounding too naive, I don\'t know any women who intensely seek sex for sex\'s sake.  Yeah, we want the sex we do get to be good, but I don\'t think you can compare the meaning men place on it to how women value it.
My man affording me the chance to sleep with another man would really phuck up the way I felt about him...if that makes any sense.  It\'s probably something genetic, cuz I can\'t put any reason behind it.  But most women I know are seeking ways to keep their men from desiring other women rather than trying to gain more sex partners for themselves.
I see fidelity in marriage the same way you do.  I don\'t see every man as out to get as much pu**y as possible.  I\'m hopeful that with the right communication/expectations within the relationship, faithfulness on the part of both spouses would be a non issue.  
But then there is my ex husband who debunks so many of my so called theories.
I\'m the type of woman that values honesty in a relationship WAY, WAY, WAY more than having my ego stroked.  Give it to me straight FIRST, and worry about hurting my feelings later.  I try to be brave enough about my own insecurities so that my doesn\'t feel as if he has to blow smoke up my ass when we are talking about our feelings towards each other. I\'m the type of sister that generally tries to view even complaints as poorly worded suggestions... information I can use to better meet his needs/address his concerns, whatever.  
Never thought my man would feel like he had to lie to me, about anything.  Never thought I gave the impression that I would not give 110% to be whatever you needed me to be, in and outside of the bedroom.  
Well, not only was he unfaithful, but told about a million lies in the process.  What is up with that?  Why, Why, oh Why? What did I miss? What did I do wrong?
Infidelity is a tough one to make sense of.

Osiris

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2001, 12:11:00 am »
When a \"couple\" make plans to be with other people on such an intimate level, they are no longer a couple whether for one hour or one night. Other energy has entered the relationship and if they \"love\" one another, it will affect their interaction sometime in the future. So when it gets to that point, they either work it out or get out.
Question:
Why must you be in the room with the man? Do you think men are incapable of just having the \"sex\" act without emotional involvement? Do you think women are more capable of just having the \"sex\" act without being emotionally involved?

DianaPrince

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2001, 01:20:00 am »
YoungGirl,
I understand what you are saying about women feeling different about sex.  I\'m only a small fraction of the way towards figuring life out, so its not unusual for me to be busy simultaneously contemplating concepts from totally opposite ends of the spectrum.  I enjoy the cognitive exercise.
 
For instance, the logic of how much value we(especially women) tend to place on sexual fidelity.  Fine, I get that we need to be careful about diseases and pregnancy, but then why would we be just as reluctant even if we knew that our man had had a vasectomy, and that the woman was perfectly healthy, and a condom would be used?  
Because we seem to value ourselves according whether or not the sex we have to offer is so potent, that our mate shouldn\'t need or want any stimulation from another source.
We place soooo many taboos and constraints on that physical act that it takes on way more significance than it should, while issues of spirituality gets relegated to the back seat.  I mean, its just a physical act, originally intended for procreation of the species, and stress release.  Just think how much more happy and peaceful the world might be if men didn\'t have so much pend up frustration and aggression...less inclination to fight wars, rape, kill animals, engage in illegal activities in order to get the money to have access to sex, etc.
\"What did I miss? What did I do wrong?\"
IMHO, you hooked up with someone who wasn\'t on your level.

DianaPrince

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2001, 01:23:00 am »
Osiris,
\"Why must you be in the room with the man? Do you think men are incapable of just having the \"sex\" act without emotional involvement?\"
Yes and no....there is always SOME form of \'emotions\' going on, but it doesn\'t have to be the \'sentimental\' kind of emotion....just straight up lust.
\"Do you think women are more capable of just having the \"sex\" act without being emotionally involved?\"
Nope.  Just think women have been more conditioned not to desire or enjoy it w/o all sorts of sentimental trappings.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2001, 01:42:00 am »
quote:Originally posted by DianaPrince:
Osiris,
\"Why must you be in the room with the man? Do you think men are incapable of just having the \"sex\" act without emotional involvement?\"
Yes and no....there is always SOME form of \'emotions\' going on, but it doesn\'t have to be the \'sentimental\' kind of emotion....just straight up lust.
\"Do you think women are more capable of just having the \"sex\" act without being emotionally involved?\"
Nope.  Just think women have been more conditioned not to desire or enjoy it w/o all sorts of sentimental trappings.  

So don\'t you think HE should insist on being in the room with you?

DianaPrince

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2001, 07:35:00 pm »
OK, I\'m in a devil\'s advocate playing mood today.. , so beware.   We as a society seem to be intensely burdened by the propensity of folks in relationships to be sexually unfaithful, or at least, at some point desiring sexual activity with someone other than their spouse.  I need not elaborate on how terrible the fallout has been, a la jealousy, lying, divorces, depression, etc.
It has always been, and still is MY position, that sexual infidelity is unforgivable, and automatically equals termination of the relationship.  But introspection is my favorite pastime, so I\'ve been thinking about why I feel so strongly about this issue.  I haven\'t worked it all out as yet, but I\'m thinking that my abhorrence is not so much about him having a sexual experience with someone else, but more so not wanting to feel emotionally betrayed or emotionally rejected.
Well, if thats the case, the DP being analytical, the logical next step seem to be to find a potential solution to the potential problem.  Firstly, its my belief that MEN tend to be the gender most likely to need/desire this extra sexual outlet, BUT I know there are also some women who would like to get their freak on with someone else, and do step out sometimes, but for the purpose of this convo, since I\'m a woman, I\'ll speak about dealing with a man.  
So here\'s my risque proposal....a couple will make plans in advance of how it will be handled, if/when down the road, Mr Man should get the urge for some extracurricular sex,.... he\'ll gets permission for a one time or one day experience with another woman of his choosing, BUT with two conditions...(1) he doesn\'t get to be alone with her when doing the deed..it has to be in my presence.  (2) if he gets his groove on with another woman, then that automatically entitles me to go out and get some of my own groove on with some guy of my choosing, at some time of my choosing, and Mr Man does NOT get to watch either.
I\'m not talking about a typical \"open\" or \'swingers\' kind of deal. I dont believe in those b/c I think if you have a constant or frequent desire to be with someone other than your spouse, than you\'ll need to just part company.
The scenario I presented would allow for a man(or woman) to get some sexual variety, but it would ONLY be for the SEX, because if his spouse is present in the room, that sorta remove most of the dynamics for him to have a deep EMOTIONAL bonding with the women with whom he is getting the extra sex.  The idea is that, if the problem that a couple is having is one of a lack of emotional connection, then that is something that they should be willing to work on via enhanced communication.  If however, one partner just wants some sexual variety, as in sex with a different BODY, then thats different.
OK now, as hard as it may be, lets try to remember that this is a discussion board...i.e. I\'m not interested in any psychoanalysis of ME.  Talk is easy, I personally wouldn\'t currently have the conviction to practice the scenario I presented above, but I like the exploration of unconventional ideas and hearing other peoples\' views.  So, I\'d like to hear everyone\'s take on this?  Could you do it?  Do you think its viable?  Why/why not?  Could it be a solution to saving some relationships that seem otherwise ok, aside from some sexual issues...especially issues where one may love their spouse, but just not have the desire to engage in some kinds of sexual acts?, etc.   Holla back!
DP

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2001, 07:48:00 pm »
I would say that it is unrealistic, sex is NOT the only reason a man steps out on a woman, nor vice versa.  That may be the reason he gives her (\"I didn\'t love her, I just slept w/ her\"), but it\'s not the only reason and to believe that it is, well, that doesn\'t give men very much credit.  The real deal is that the other woman is usually a better cook! Just kidding.
That\'s my 2 cents.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2001, 08:21:00 pm »
Yeah...but if he\'s really craving something outside the marriage, is one-time going to be enough? It would have to be one pretty potent experience. I mean once isn\'t even enough time to fully figure out what happened the first time and get it out of your system. For me, I\'d have to have a series...you know, be able to average out the experience so that I could put it in the proper perspective and decide that naw, I didn\'t really want it anyway... and be done for good...
All \'n all, not very practical... I wouldn\'t advise adding this clause into any pre-nupt....and besides, it would still hurt...it would break my heart...
I would be stained for life. I don\'t think that I could ever erase the imagery. It would play back in my head, over and over and over again... Somethings you just never get over. [This message has been edited by Indigo_Rhayne (edited 11-30-2001).]